Not really Hogues?

This post may be one of the most surprising entries on this blog. For a long time I believed that Pierre Hogue and Jeanne Theodore were our ancestors. Many old genealogies list them as the parents of Francois Hogue, our direct ancestor. Turns out that Jeanne is the mother of Francois, but Pierre is not the father!

This fact was discovered by two researchers who made an exhaustive search of church records and published their findings in a journal. I found this information when I started using PRDH to recheck my previous research. They had a note about a journal article “Jean, Not Auber, Not Hogue, but Amelot” published in the Oct. 2007 issue of Michigan’s Habitant Heritage by Thomas George and JoEllen St. Aubin, which I ordered from the French-Canadian Heritage Society of Michigan.

So here is some background. Pierre was the first Hogue to arrive in New France, sometime before January 26, 1672, when he is a witness in Montreal at a marriage. Pierre was born around 1648 in Notre-Dame de Bellifontaine, Picardie, France. On the occasion of his first marriage he declared that his father was Jean Hogue and his mother was Nicole Dubuc.

This first marriage in 1672 was a very interesting one. It was to Marie Madeleine Catherine Nachita, a woman from the Potawatomi Nation, a tribe that lived in what is now Michigan. She had been educated, and cared for, by Margaret Bourgeoys, whom I’ve mentioned before. There’s a possibility that Marie Madeleine Catherine had been a prisoner of the Iroquois at some point. In the book The Pearl of Troyes, or Reminiscenses of the Early Days of Ville-Marie published in 1878 by the Congregation de Notre Dame de Montreal, we read:

“the young girls dowry consisted of the funds given by the Princess of Conti [a French benefactor of Margaret Bourgeoys]; Mr. Zachary Du Puy, Major of the garnison stationed at Ville-Marie, gave her a dwelling house, to which was attached a large garden and a poultry yard, Mr. Dollier de Casson of saint Sulpice, gave furniture and kitchen utensils to the value of 130 livres”.

That sounds like a pretty good start in life, given the times. Some important persons attended the wedding including Charles D’Ailleboust and his wife Catherine Legardeur.

Pierre and Marie Madeleine Catherine had two sons, Claude and Pierre. Turns out that baby Pierre’s godmother was Jeanne Hunault, one of our Girardin ancestors. The marriage was a brief one, Marie Madeleine Catherine dying in September of 1676. Having young children, Pierre quickly married Jeanne Theodore in November of the same year. She had been born in 1663 in Montreal, making her 13 at the time of this marriage.

Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967), Montreal, Basilique Notre-Dame 1643-1680, Registres Photographies au greffe de Montreal, stamped page 82, image 164 of 277, accessed on 22 Apr 2014

Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967), Montreal, Basilique Notre-Dame 1643-1680, Registres Photographies au greffe de Montreal, stamped page 82, image 164 of 277, accessed on 22 Apr 2014

I wrote about her parents Michel Theodore dit Gilles and Jacqueline Larange  here.

Pierre and Jeanne lived in Montreal and would end up having 7 children all together, six of which survived. In the census of 1681 they are living with Pierre’s son Pierre and their son Jean Baptiste. I don’t know what happened to Pierre’s son Claude. His son Pierre drowned at the age of 22.

Enter Jacques Amelot dit Sanspeur, a soldier who arrived from France in 1694. He was a 27 year old sergeant in the company of Monsieur Levasseur. This may have been a company sent to rebuild the fortifications of Quebec City. Jacques was born around 1667 in the Normandy area of France. At some point, we don’t know where or when, he met Jeanne and she gave birth on November 17, 1694 to Amelot’s son Francois! He was baptized as Francois Amelot, and Jeanne’s brother-in-law Francois Dormet was godfather.

Hogue Amelot Francois baptism

Pierre raised him as his own, and Francois took the Hogue name. To confuse things even more, Pierre and Jeanne already had a son Francois, born in 1687. (What was she thinking?) Pierre and Jeanne went on to have another daughter in 1703. Many old genealogies mistakenly list one Francois who marries twice.

As the journal article explained, when “our” Francois married Angelique Coiteux in 1716, the names of his parents are not given. However, at the baptism of their son Joseph Amable in 1734, the “other” Francois is present and listed as uncle of the child. Checking baptism and marriage records for Francois and Angelique’s family, I find that uncle Francois is present at several of these occasions.

Hogue, Joseph Amable baptism1734
Although Jacques and Jeanne met in Montreal, Jacques soon was transferred to Quebec city, so it is very unlikely that he had any involvement in Francois’ life. Jacques married Angelique Godin in 1698, who turns out to be the daughter of Girardin ancestors Charles Godin and Marie Boucher! One of the many examples of intertwined French-Canadian roots! And here’s another. Two of Pierre and Jeanne’s children married siblings of Angelique Coiteux, “our” Francois’ wife.

Jacques Amelot and Angelique Godin had 10 children. After Angelique Godin’s death, he married again. Jacques died in 1729. Pierre Hogue died in 1725 and Jeanne Theodore in 1730.

Francois Hogue and Angelique Coiteux, our ancestors, had 13 children, seven of whom died as children. Francois died at the age of 66 in 1760 in the parish of St. Vincent de Paul. Angelique died at the age of 81 in the same parish in 1779.

So, for the record, here is the Hogue male line from Amelot to Pépère:
1-Jacques AMELOT dit SANSPEUR (abt 1667-1729)
+Jeanne THEODORE (1663-1730)
2-Francois HOGUE “AMELOT” (1694-1760)
+Marie Angelique COITEUX (1697-1779)
3-Joseph Amable HOGUE (1734-between 1799 and 1806)
+Marie-Josephe BELANGER (1740-1775)
4-Louis Amable HOGUE (1769-?)
+Marie Anne LABELLE (1776-?)
5-Louis Amable HOGUE (1796-1858)
+Marguerite TAYLOR (1805-1885)
6-Thomas HOGUE (1840-1924)
+Philomene MCMILLAN (1848-1923)
7-Thomas Joseph HOGUE (1879-1955)


So, there it is.  Our surname should actually be Amelot dit Sanspeur, but I don’t think anyone’s going to change it now!


The Lesieur Connection

This post will be about our Girardin ancestors, the Lesieur family, and it is a rather tangled story.

Charles Lesieur arrived in New France around 1670. He was born in Ozeville, Normandy. In 1671 he married Francoise de Lafond, the thirteen year old niece of Pierre Boucher, Governor of Trois-Rivières. (see my previous post about this family here). Needless to say, that was a very advantageous marriage, and Charles became a wealthy landowner, a notary, and a “procureur fiscal” (financial attorney) . He sometimes went by the “dit” name of Lapierre. He and Francoise had nine children and settled in Batiscan. Unfortunately he died at the age of 50 in 1697, leaving Francoise with a family whose youngest was only two years old. She remarried six years later, but did not have any more children. Francoise died in 1717 and was buried in Montreal.

We are descended from three of Charles and Francoise’s children, Charles, Joseph and Francoise.

First is Charles Lesieur, the younger. A few years after his father’s death, Charles and his brother Julien were granted the seigneury of Grosbois-Est , which would become the town of Yamachiche. Charles married Marie Charlotte Rivard dite Loranger in 1700, and they had seven children, including our ancestor Pierre, who married Genevieve Sicard dite Derive in 1746. Pierre was co-seigneur of Yamachiche, as noted on this burial record in 1761. Genevieve was pregnant with the last of their seven children when Pierre died. The child died the day it was born. A year later, Genevieve married again, this time to a man with almost the same name, Pierre Lesieur dit Duchesne! He was a first cousin, once removed, of her deceased husband.

Pierre had a brother, also called Charles, NOT our direct ancestor, who was involved in the fur trade.
In Heather Devine’s book The People who Own Themselves: Aboriginal Ethnogenesis in a Canadian Family we learn:

“The Lesieurs were a prominent family who had held the seigneury of Yamachiche, near Trois-Rivières, Quebec for several generations. Charles Lesieur, the seigneur of Yamachiche during much of the eighteenth century, presided over a large family active in the fur trade. One of his sons, Toussaint, was one of the earliest Canadien traders in the Athabasca region, an associate of Peter Pond, and later Benjamin and Joseph Frobisher. However, two other Lesieur sons, Francois and Joseph, chose to seek their fortune in Missouri…they were credited as the official founders of the trading post and satellite community later known as New Madrid.”

Secondly, we have Joseph Lesieur, born in 1688, who was also involved in the fur trade. He was trading in the Illinois and Wisconsin area and married an Illinois Indian, Madeleine Adouin. They had one child, a son, Jean Baptiste, born around 1721 in Pays-d’en-Haut. (That refers to the country upriver from the colony of New France, i.e. present day Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan and along the Mississippi.)  Joseph was killed by Indians in 1723 at the age of 34. F.L. Desaulniers who compiled a book Les vieilles familles d’Yamachiche: vingt-cinq genealogies  in 1900, tells us of the existence of a letter from the Jesuit Father DeKereben giving details of the death of Joseph and of Jean-Baptiste Lafond.

I do not know what happened to Madeleine, but by 1747 her son Jean Baptiste is in Yamachiche getting married to HIS FIRST COUSIN Francoise Rivard dite Bellefeuille! Tragically, this couple both died the same day, in 1756, possibly of smallpox, leaving behind three young children, ages 8, 5, and 3. Presumably they were raised by other members of the Lesieur and Rivard families.

Thirdly, we come to Francoise Lesieur, born in 1695, and married to Louis Joseph Rivard dit Loranger. They had eight children . When Louis Joseph died, Francoise was left, as her mother had been, with a family whose youngest was only two years old! She did not remarry.  (Louis Joseph was the brother of Marie Charlotte who married Charles Lesieur the younger). The Lesieur and Rivard families were very closely linked, which I touched on in another post (here).

Charles, Joseph and Francoise are all ancestors of Joseph Baptiste Lesieur dit Lapierre and Madeleine Lesieur, who are Mémère’s great-great-grandparents.

If you are thoroughly confused by now, here’s our descent:
1-Charles LESIEUR (1647-1697)
+Francoise DE LAFOND (1658-1717)
2-Charles Julien LESIEUR (1674-1739)
+Marie Charlotte RIVARD dit LORANGER (1680-1744)
3-Pierre LESIEUR (1700-1761)
+Genevieve SICARD dite DERIVE (1728-1798)
4-Madeleine LESIEUR (1756-1841)
+Joseph Baptiste LESIEUR dit LAPIERRE (1751-1813)

2-Joseph LESIEUR (1688-1723)
+Madeleine ADOUIN (?-?)
3-Jean Baptiste LESIEUR (bef 1721-1756)
+Francoise RIVARD dite BELLEFEUILLE (bef 1727-1756)
4-Joseph Baptiste LESIEUR dit LAPIERRE (1751-1813)
+Madeleine LESIEUR (1756-1841)

2-Francoise LESIEUR (8 Sep 1695-1758)
+Louis Joseph RIVARD dit LORANGER (1684-1740)
3-Francoise RIVARD dite BELLEFEUILLE (bef 1727-1756)
+Jean Baptiste LESIEUR (bef 1721-1756)
4-Joseph Baptiste LESIEUR dit LAPIERRE (1751-1813)
+Madeleine LESIEUR (1756-1841)
5-Josephte LESIEUR (1778-1864)
+Charles GIRARDIN (1773-1853)
6-Paul GIRARDIN (1804-1878)
+Marie Louise BERNARDIN (1824-1912)
7-Napoleon GIRARDIN (1851-1929)
+Onesime ALLARD (1852-1896)
8-Marie Emma GIRARDIN (1878-1979)



My Filles du Roi Certificate and Pin

In a previous post, I mentioned that there are 34 Filles du Roi in my Hogue/Girardin ancestry. Recently I applied to the American-French Genealogical Society  for a certificate authenticating my descent from one of these brave women. Although this blog is dedicated to my paternal ancestors, I decided to apply for the certificate based on one of my maternal ancestors, Marie Jeanne Toussaint.
Here is my certificate.


And my pin.

And here’s my descent:
1-Marie Jeanne TOUSSAINT (abt 1652-1708)
+Noel CARPENTIER (abt 1643-1728)
2-Noel CARPENTIER dit NOEL (1697-1788)
+Marie Anne DENIAU (1698-?)
3-Noel CARPENTIER dit NOEL (1726-1756)
+Marie Louise Josephe COTTENOIR dite PREVILLE (1727-1802)
4-Marie Josephe CARPENTIER dit NOEL (1754-1822)
+Michel Ignace BRISSET (1749-1817)
5-Charlotte BRISSET (1779-1808)
+Jean Baptiste HUBERT (1775-?)
6-Josephte HUBERT (1801-?)
+Joseph LAPERRIERE (1799-1861)
7-Marie Sara LAPERRIERE (1840-1904)
+Eugene GIRARD (1843-1930)
8-Marie Anne GIRARD (1881-1975)
+Georges VAILLANCOURT (1869-1935)
9-Madeleine Bibian VAILLANCOURT (1916-2006)
+Joseph Thomas Modeste HOGUE (1909-1972)
10-Mary Jacqueline HOGUE
More frames on the wall of my genealogy “office”!


The census of 1666

In 1666, Jean Talon, newly-appointed Intendant of New France, ordered the first census of New France to be taken. Of course, this was a count of only the European population in the colony, not the native population.

The total population of settlers is usually presented as 3215. However, Quebec historian Marcel Trudel, in his book La population du Canada en 1666: recensement reconstitute, puts the number at 4219. I believe that is much more likely. He uses an analysis of records that show people for whom we have church and civil records that prove their residence in New France at that time, but who do not appear in the official record.

I have been able to find 145 of our Hogue/Girardin ancestors in the official census. Our 13 Carnigan soldiers weren’t included, soldiers being considered “transients”. Plus, I have identified 31 people that records show were in the country, but are missing from the official census. That gives us 189 ancestors. No matter which figure you use, our ancestors counted for about 4 to 5 % of the population.  (Plus we have at least 16 ancestors who had come to New France and died BEFORE this census was taken!)

Stats Can tells us:
“Talon conducted his census on the de jure principale – that is, counting people where they normally reside. And he did much of the enumeration himself, going door-to-door. Talon’s census recorded everyone in the colony by name and included age, occupation, marital status, and relationship to the head of the family in which they lived.”

Below is a digital image from Library and Archives Canada
for the 1666 Recensement du Canada. It shows our Hogue ancestors Zacharie Cloutier, Marie Madeleine Emard, and Barbe Cloutier,  along with Barbe’s siblings Rene, Xaintes, Genevieve, Marie, another Marie and Charles. They are living in Beaupre, and Zacharie is described as a carpenter and habitant.

Page from the 1666 New France census for Beaupré Source: Library and Archives Canada/Fonds des Colonies/ DAFCAOM03_G1_460_18R /P. 35

Page from the 1666 New France census for Beaupré
Source: Library and Archives Canada/Fonds des Colonies/ DAFCAOM03_G1_460_18R /P. 35


My analysis of the official 1666 census shows that our ancestors made up 71 family groups, including 6 widows. The majority of the men are listed as habitants. There is a common misconception that a habitant in New France was a farmer. To quote Suzanne Boivin Sommerville, writing in the magazine Késsinnimek – Roots – Racines:

“In reality, a habitant was an inhabitant of New France who had chosen to remain and be a free citizen, to pursue whatever occupation or trade that became available.”

13 men are not living with their own families, but are listed as domestics or other trades. These men were probably engagés who had signed contracts to come to New France to work.

Among the occupations listed for the men (women of course are only listed as wife, widow or daughter) we have:

1 Royal Judge (Michel Leneuf du Herisson)
4 carpenters
3 masons
1 cabinet maker
1 salt maker
1 cook/baker
1 brick maker
1 tanner
1 hatter
1 weaver
1 tailor
1 cobbler
1 shoemaker
1 toolmaker

1666…348 years ago.

189 people.

How deep are roots go back!





But where did they live?

When I first started researching my Quebec ancestors, I puzzled over many of the place names in the church and census records. Where exactly was Château Richer, Batiscan or Rivière des Prairies?  I would “google” the name and find it but, being geographically-challenged; I would then forget exactly where that specific place was when I chanced on the name again!

Then I found Marcel Trudel’s Atlas de la nouvelle-france.  Voila!  It included a wonderful map that showed all the parishes in the three administrative districts of Montreal, Trois Rivières and Quebec. This book was published by Les Presses de l’université  Laval.  I contacted them, and they have very kindly giving me permission to post the map on my blog.

Map 80 – Les divisions administrative (carte tracée par Marcel Trudel) from atlas de la nouvelle-france by Marcel Trudel, published by Les Presses de l’université  Laval, 1968. Posted with permission from the publisher.

Map 80 – Les divisions administrative (carte tracée par Marcel Trudel) from atlas de la nouvelle-france by Marcel Trudel, published by Les Presses de l’université Laval, 1968. Posted with permission from the publisher.

I will also post this map on a page called Maps, which you will find on my sidebar, near the Timeline.