Not really Hogues?

This post may be one of the most surprising entries on this blog. For a long time I believed that Pierre Hogue and Jeanne Theodore were our ancestors. Many old genealogies list them as the parents of Francois Hogue, our direct ancestor. Turns out that Jeanne is the mother of Francois, but Pierre is not the father!

This fact was discovered by two researchers who made an exhaustive search of church records and published their findings in a journal. I found this information when I started using PRDH to recheck my previous research. They had a note about a journal article “Jean, Not Auber, Not Hogue, but Amelot” published in the Oct. 2007 issue of Michigan’s Habitant Heritage by Thomas George and JoEllen St. Aubin, which I ordered from the French-Canadian Heritage Society of Michigan.

So here is some background. Pierre was the first Hogue to arrive in New France, sometime before January 26, 1672, when he is a witness in Montreal at a marriage. Pierre was born around 1648 in Notre-Dame de Bellifontaine, Picardie, France. On the occasion of his first marriage he declared that his father was Jean Hogue and his mother was Nicole Dubuc.

This first marriage in 1672 was a very interesting one. It was to Marie Madeleine Catherine Nachita, a woman from the Potawatomi Nation, a tribe that lived in what is now Michigan. She had been educated, and cared for, by Margaret Bourgeoys, whom I’ve mentioned before. There’s a possibility that Marie Madeleine Catherine had been a prisoner of the Iroquois at some point. In the book The Pearl of Troyes, or Reminiscenses of the Early Days of Ville-Marie published in 1878 by the Congregation de Notre Dame de Montreal, we read:

“the young girls dowry consisted of the funds given by the Princess of Conti [a French benefactor of Margaret Bourgeoys]; Mr. Zachary Du Puy, Major of the garnison stationed at Ville-Marie, gave her a dwelling house, to which was attached a large garden and a poultry yard, Mr. Dollier de Casson of saint Sulpice, gave furniture and kitchen utensils to the value of 130 livres”.

That sounds like a pretty good start in life, given the times. Some important persons attended the wedding including Charles D’Ailleboust and his wife Catherine Legardeur.

Pierre and Marie Madeleine Catherine had two sons, Claude and Pierre. Turns out that baby Pierre’s godmother was Jeanne Hunault, one of our Girardin ancestors. The marriage was a brief one, Marie Madeleine Catherine dying in September of 1676. Having young children, Pierre quickly married Jeanne Theodore in November of the same year. She had been born in 1663 in Montreal, making her 13 at the time of this marriage.

Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967), Montreal, Basilique Notre-Dame 1643-1680, Registres Photographies au greffe de Montreal, stamped page 82, image 164 of 277, accessed on ancestry.ca 22 Apr 2014

Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967), Montreal, Basilique Notre-Dame 1643-1680, Registres Photographies au greffe de Montreal, stamped page 82, image 164 of 277, accessed on ancestry.ca 22 Apr 2014

I wrote about her parents Michel Theodore dit Gilles and Jacqueline Larange  here.

Pierre and Jeanne lived in Montreal and would end up having 7 children all together, six of which survived. In the census of 1681 they are living with Pierre’s son Pierre and their son Jean Baptiste. I don’t know what happened to Pierre’s son Claude. His son Pierre drowned at the age of 22.

Enter Jacques Amelot dit Sanspeur, a soldier who arrived from France in 1694. He was a 27 year old sergeant in the company of Monsieur Levasseur. This may have been a company sent to rebuild the fortifications of Quebec City. Jacques was born around 1667 in the Normandy area of France. At some point, we don’t know where or when, he met Jeanne and she gave birth on November 17, 1694 to Amelot’s son Francois! He was baptized as Francois Amelot, and Jeanne’s brother-in-law Francois Dormet was godfather.

Hogue Amelot Francois baptism

Pierre raised him as his own, and Francois took the Hogue name. To confuse things even more, Pierre and Jeanne already had a son Francois, born in 1687. (What was she thinking?) Pierre and Jeanne went on to have another daughter in 1703. Many old genealogies mistakenly list one Francois who marries twice.

As the journal article explained, when “our” Francois married Angelique Coiteux in 1716, the names of his parents are not given. However, at the baptism of their son Joseph Amable in 1734, the “other” Francois is present and listed as uncle of the child. Checking baptism and marriage records for Francois and Angelique’s family, I find that uncle Francois is present at several of these occasions.

Hogue, Joseph Amable baptism1734
Although Jacques and Jeanne met in Montreal, Jacques soon was transferred to Quebec city, so it is very unlikely that he had any involvement in Francois’ life. Jacques married Angelique Godin in 1698, who turns out to be the daughter of Girardin ancestors Charles Godin and Marie Boucher! One of the many examples of intertwined French-Canadian roots! And here’s another. Two of Pierre and Jeanne’s children married siblings of Angelique Coiteux, “our” Francois’ wife.

Jacques Amelot and Angelique Godin had 10 children. After Angelique Godin’s death, he married again. Jacques died in 1729. Pierre Hogue died in 1725 and Jeanne Theodore in 1730.

Francois Hogue and Angelique Coiteux, our ancestors, had 13 children, seven of whom died as children. Francois died at the age of 66 in 1760 in the parish of St. Vincent de Paul. Angelique died at the age of 81 in the same parish in 1779.

So, for the record, here is the Hogue male line from Amelot to Pépère:
1-Jacques AMELOT dit SANSPEUR (abt 1667-1729)
+Jeanne THEODORE (1663-1730)
2-Francois HOGUE “AMELOT” (1694-1760)
+Marie Angelique COITEUX (1697-1779)
3-Joseph Amable HOGUE (1734-between 1799 and 1806)
+Marie-Josephe BELANGER (1740-1775)
4-Louis Amable HOGUE (1769-?)
+Marie Anne LABELLE (1776-?)
5-Louis Amable HOGUE (1796-1858)
+Marguerite TAYLOR (1805-1885)
6-Thomas HOGUE (1840-1924)
+Philomene MCMILLAN (1848-1923)
7-Thomas Joseph HOGUE (1879-1955)

 

So, there it is.  Our surname should actually be Amelot dit Sanspeur, but I don’t think anyone’s going to change it now!

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8 thoughts on “Not really Hogues?

  1. Just found your website via the Metisgen group. This is so awesome! 🙂 It’s great to find other people doing research on the Hogue family. (I’m descended from Amable and Marguerite’s son Antoine.)

    On the subject: how scandalous! LOL. No, I don’t think people are likely to change now, plus I think it matters that Francois took Pierre’s last name; that’s how much his presence in his life mattered.

    I am more curious on this Amelot dit Sanspeur family name though, and where they came from. It’s great that there are people like you out here doing this research and trying to set matters straight!

    • Thanks Stephanie! Would you mind telling me your line from Antoine? I have a copy of his obituary if you don’t have it.

      • Pardon me, as I’m not very good at listing genealogy lines yet. 🙂

        Antoine Hogue — Crawford Brown
        –> Albert Hogue — Adelina Dufault
        —–> Joseph Simon A. Hogue — Yvonne Marie Beauchemin

        and then living family members that I won’t list publicly online.

  2. Wow! I am a descendent of Jacques Amelot dit Sanspeur (Fearless). He married Angelique Godin in 1698. They had a son named Jacques, who I am descended. My relatives spell their names Amnotte. I have seen it Amnott, Amoyt, and Hamenotte.

    • Hi Julie, thanks for leaving a comment on the blog. Isn’t French-Canadian genealogy fascinating? We probably have even more connections, since these relationships go back so far.

      • Have you found out any more information on your Amelote line since your discovery? My line settled in Maine in the 1880’s from Quebec.

  3. Christine Mazeika

    I am also from the Jacques Amelotte dit Sanspeur line, through wife Angelique Godin. I have gone back a bit further:
    Abraham Amelot de la Houssaye (1610- unknown) France
    +Marguerite Bertrand (1610- unknown)
    2 Jacques Amelote (1639 Orleans, France – unknown Paris)
    + Marie Marguerite Patin (1650, Normandit – 1698)
    3 “Our” Jacques Amelote dit Sans-peur (1669 Normandie – 1729 Quebec)
    + Marie Angelique Godin (1677 Canada-1730 Quebec)
    Perhaps you can add this to your research. The really interesting item I found was Jacques # 2’s brother; Abraham Nicholas Amelot de la Houssaye. Google him sometime; author, radical, diplomat to Venice and spent 6 weeks in the Bastille for his political writings.
    Thanks for all the information

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